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Topics: Justice, September 2020 | Interview

Fay the drag queen lets inclusivity take centre stage

Fay Slift (a.k.a. JP Kane) is one half of Fay and Fluffy, a popular Toronto drag duo that reads to children


Fay Slift isn’t your average drag queen. Her kooky dresses aren’t exactly sexy, her “nightclubs” are mostly libraries and — oh yes — her fans are usually under six years old.

Toronto kindergarten teacher JP Kane is the Fay of Toronto’s popular Fay and Fluffy’s Storytime series, which Kane started with Fluffy Soufflé (a.k.a. Kaleb Robertson), another drag performer, in 2016. Since then, the duo has performed all over Ontario, at venues including the Royal Ontario Museum and the Art Gallery of Ontario. In 2020, they received the President’s Award for Exceptional Achievement from the Ontario Library Association.

Leah Rumack: Why did you start Fay and Fluffy’s Storytime?

JP Kane: Somebody sent me a link to this story about drag queen storytime in San Francisco, and for so long I had wanted to combine my drag performing stuff with working with kids. When I watched that video, I was like, “Oh my God, this is totally perfect!” We wanted to create safe spaces that were inclusive of queer families and gender non-conforming kids, and it just kind of grew organically from there.

LR: Why do you think kids respond to drag?

JK: I’m not provocative in that I’m trying to imitate a woman — none of what I do is sexualized. To me, drag has always been on the forefront of fighting for rights and also social commentary on what gender identity is. Our style of drag is joyful and fun and brightly coloured and inspired by children — we look like cartoon characters, and kids love it.

LR: What have been some memorable responses you’ve had to Fay?

JK: Children always ask, “Why are you wearing girl’s clothes?” And I’ll say, “This isn’t a girl’s dress; this is my dress. Clothes don’t have gender. It’s the same with colours and toys. I loved playing with dolls when I was little. What do you love to play with?” Then I’ll say, “Could you imagine being told your favourite toy is only for somebody else?” The kids will say, “That’s not fair!” And I’ll say, “Exactly, that’s the same thing with what I choose to wear!” Then that’s it. Kids get it.

Parents are often mortified and tell their kids they shouldn’t ask those kinds of questions, but I always say, “They totally can, and I’m ready to answer.” Because that little nugget of information will influence them in ways that they will pass on to their peers and to the adults in their lives.

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LR: Why is literacy so important to you?

JK: I had this incredible teacher when I was about 10 — Mrs. Gillis. She was the first teacher I ever had who really celebrated me in all of my weird gayness as a child, and she really instilled a love of reading in me.

Books make us feel less alone in the world, and I wanted to share that with kids and to really foster their ability to create their own stories and develop their confidence — all of that comes out of literacy and being literate. Being able to read influences everything in your life.

LR: What are your favourite kids’ books?

JK: I’m a huge fan of Not Quite Narwhal by Jessie Sima. It’s about when you start to discover that you’re different and you worry people won’t like you once they discover who you really are, but it turns out those people already know who you are, and they love you.

I love Red: A Crayon’s Story by Michael Hall because that’s also about self-awareness — I’m supposed to be red, but everything I’m doing is blue; it’s so confusing and messy!

I love the Todd Parr books, too. They’re all about celebrating who you are and that all families are unique and special, and about our responsibilities for preserving the Earth. I love all that stuff, and little ones really get it.

LR: Fay and Fluffy’s Storytime gets a lot of support, but you’ve also experienced some online harassment.

JK: There’s this whole Christian right-wing agenda. I was raised Catholic, and what I took away from that was Jesus was socially progressive: he hung out with lepers; he hung out with the undesirables; he treated people with respect; he encouraged people to challenge the bankers and the rich. He was all about taking care of people and treating others with compassion and kindness, so how it has morphed so much is disturbing to me.

Photo courtesy of Fay Slift

LR: You severed ties with the Toronto Public Library (TPL) last October after it refused to cancel a talk by Meghan Murphy, who has spoken out against transgender rights.

JK: The minute we heard that was happening, Kaleb, who is a trans man, came to me and said, “I don’t feel comfortable doing this. We have kids and parents who come to see us who are trans. For us to continue taking money from an organization that would allow hate speech in the guise of free speech goes against everything we believe in.”

LR: Will you two ever work with the TPL again?

JK: If the TPL gets to a place where we feel that the leadership is in a better spot, I’m sure we’d be open to returning. We ended our relationship with the TPL, and then we got awarded the librarians’ President’s Award. We got a standing ovation when we went into that convention centre. We were really moved — we both cried. We couldn’t believe the amount of incredible support that we had in that room. We stand with librarians, always.

LR: You’re a kindergarten teacher. What do you like about it?

JK: There are so many things I love about kindergarten. I love the kids’ enthusiasm; I love their curiosity. I love that no matter how I feel when I drag my old carcass out of bed, the minute those kids see me they are filled with excitement about wanting to tell me what they know, what they’ve seen, what they’re wondering about. They’re incredibly generous with their compassion and kindness, and I miss that energy. The very first day I went online to do our daily circle time during the COVID-19 lockdown, once they all started popping up in the Google Meet, just hearing the sound of them all being excited and talking over each other…I realized how much I missed hearing that on the daily. After I got off the call, I had a really big cry.

LR: Do you have any children of your own?

JK: I had this kid in my class who asked me, “Do you have a wife? Do you have a girlfriend?” And I told her, “Nope, I’m married to my husband. I’m gay.” She asked me what that meant, so then we had that conversation. And she asked, “Do you have children?” I said, “You’re all my children. I love you all, and I have you every day between 9 and 3, and then I go home.” And she said, “You’re a daytime daddy!” “You’re right,” I said. “I am a daytime daddy!”

LR: How does drag queens reading to kids contribute to a community that’s invested in social justice?

JK: Some of the most powerful things that have happened have been in smaller communities. We had an elderly woman come up to us at one event and say, “I saw this advertised, and I thought it was so wrong, but I thought I should come and see before I made a decision. I’m so glad I came, and I’m going to bring my grandchildren the next time you come.”

This interview has been edited for length and clarity. It first appeared in Broadview’s September 2020 issue with the title “Telling the story of inclusivity.”

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  • says:

    It's very difficult for me to be non condemning here (from a human perspective), but I'll chose my words as wisely and honestly as I can.

    I think it's sad that we live in a world today that what is an exception to the rule is now pushed as normal. But we as Christians are called to be in the world and not of it. (John 17:14-15) We are called to show others how to be saved from their sins. (We cannot save them - only God can, we can only point the way)

    I wish I had space here to clearly present the Bible's thought of transgenderism and homosexuality, but I know it will come back as hate. I dislike Biblical references that point to my failures as well. But we all struggle with sin, whether it be slander, pornography, gossip or sexual immorality (to name a few).

    In review,
    I think first, most children would see this person in a library and think. "Oh, it's a clown" And see what they were doing in a library. If this person was really going after his target group as he says, the presentation would not consider a library. A public building is not a "safe place". Considering the protests that happen each time these people are there should prove that.

    I find it strange that the people "Fluffy" singles out for those who hate him are "right wing Christians". Most "far right Christians" may verbalize their disdain, but I have many "non Christian" friends who would consider a lot more than verbal threats. But if Christianity considers what they do as wrong, then he will target them, and find public support. His reference to those who promote "hate speech" is ironic. If you don't agree with his view point, you are the one promoting hate, but somehow he is not. He considers his expressions are free speech, but if you do not share his actions, your expressions are coming at a cost.

    Christ was not always a fun, loving and a social justice promoter. Christ often displayed anger over peoples rejection of God, and sin. The religious leaders in His day and the crowds thoughts were against the true meaning of Scriptures. (Mark 3:1-6) They twisted them to support their actions. They were not "non-religious". Unfortunately we also have twisted the Bible, by not taking it as authoritative, therefore we change it to support our sins rather than expose them. (Romans 1:18-32)
    I am truly sorry for this person, I wouldn't want to think I'm trapped in something I'm not, but Christ offers freedom from such matters. (Romans 8:1-2)